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 Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?

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PostSubject: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:07 pm

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=ptsbCwcbrfc

This to start of the discussion. This was in America a decade ago, now the European Union wants to do the same here. Even though similar British policies were deemed illegal by the European court for human rights not long ago.

Don't be a sheep! If you want to live in these circumstances: Move to China.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:13 pm

Well, if that's what they want to do then that's what they're going to do. Being all awkward and rebeling against it and stuff just causes problems, not as if it's going to make them change their minds.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm

what they want?


also i dont like china
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:03 pm

Auldrick wrote:
Well, if that's what they want to do then that's what they're going to do. Being all awkward and rebeling against it and stuff just causes problems, not as if it's going to make them change their minds.

Are you serious? You're just going to lay down as they take over your life until you have no freedom left? Baaaah, sheep.
You forget that governments only have power if people give it to them. Something that is very noticeable in the Dutch drugs policy. If local governments ignore national laws because they feel those laws are creating more problems, there is nothing the national government can do about it except saying "Hey, I don't agree with that.".
(Eindhoven is going to set up city-funded growhouses for cannabis. Even though those growhouses are forbidden by law)
It's not like they can send the army on your ass, cause in the end those soldiers are human beings too.

Same goes for corporations, corporations don't own any power. They borrow it from the people. If the people want it back, they can get it back.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:09 pm

"People should not be afraid of their governments...
Governments should be afraid of their people..."

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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:14 pm

Rodger Dascombe wrote:
"People should not be afraid of their governments...
Governments should be afraid of their people..."

- V

I wouldn't be surprised if we would be blowing up the European Parliament in 10 - 15 years. Wink

Or atleast die trying.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:16 pm

we should make an anti-china club
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:24 pm

I agree, don't be a fucking sheep. Power to the masses.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:32 pm

Dagren Dascombe wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if we would be blowing up the European Parliament in 10 - 15 years. Wink

Or atleast die trying.

Dagren

my dad once told me this

"If you ever blew up the houses of parliament, i would be proud of you...
If you ever became a member of the conservative party, i would disown you"

i intend to nuke that building at one point Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:36 pm

Rodger Dascombe wrote:
Dagren Dascombe wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if we would be blowing up the European Parliament in 10 - 15 years. Wink

Or atleast die trying.

i intend to nuke that building at one point Razz

im gonna tell the cops
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:49 pm

Rodger Dascombe wrote:
Dagren Dascombe wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if we would be blowing up the European Parliament in 10 - 15 years. Wink

Or atleast die trying.

Dagren

my dad once told me this

"If you ever blew up the houses of parliament, i would be proud of you...
If you ever became a member of the conservative party, i would disown you"

i intend to nuke that building at one point Razz

Can I aid you in that case? I wanna test my new bomb!
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:59 am

Rodger Dascombe wrote:
Dagren Dascombe wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if we would be blowing up the European Parliament in 10 - 15 years. Wink

Or atleast die trying.

Dagren

my dad once told me this

"If you ever blew up the houses of parliament, i would be proud of you...
If you ever became a member of the conservative party, i would disown you"

i intend to nuke that building at one point Razz

Nukes would cause too much collateral damage, having a, surviving, audience is so much more effective as well. Razz

And @Auldrick, what kind of problems would rebelling against a potentially oppressive regime bring?
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:35 am

I dunno, in the least severe sense an awkward situation, in the most severe sence people dying.

Basically, what i'm trying to say is no one's going to rebel, it's all very well talking about it and being all anti-whatever, but if this is actually introduced I don't see it being removed.

I mean, come on, talking like your some kind of freedom fighter's pretty lame if you ain't got nothing to back it. : P

I'm just looking at it from a logical sense here.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:11 am

I don't have anything to back it up with but words, but remember that words can be very powerful.
So like I said, I would be willing to give up my life for freedom.
Because a life without freedom can hardly be called a life at all. And I'm not speaking about this single issue, but I fear that more of these 'security measures' will be taken. And some day we could find ourselves in a world that has gone very wrong.
What you're saying is only logical in a sense that has been pushed through our throats for the past decades. We have to be decent persons, or more extremely put: model citizens. But that entire concept is entirely made up. And it doesn't matter if it was made up so it could be abused or if it was made up with the best intentions. What matters it what it is being used for, and that goes for a lot of things.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:28 am

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So like I said, I would be willing to give up my life for freedom.

No offence but..bullshit. Razz

Anyways, fair enough. I don't see this being widely introduced, I was talking about things like this in general.
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:40 am

It's going to be introduced this summer in the EU.

And I hope I don't have to proof you wrong Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:28 pm

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And I hope I don't have to proove*(spspsp) you wrong Razz

Likewise..

wait..no, I want to proove you wrong. : P
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:48 pm

Oh nice job on the spelling correction. Why do you want to prove me wrong? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:18 pm

Dag wrote:
Oh nice job on the spelling correction. Why do you want to *proove (SPSPSPSPSP) me wrong? Razz

Because that's what debating's all about!
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PostSubject: Re: Thumbprints, DNA, urine samples... was George Orwell right?   Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:21 pm

Hm this gives me another idea for a topic.

btw this is ridiculous, we should never allow this to happen.
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